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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 5:33:10 GMT -8
For the first time since I joined the guild, I look at the list and I'm starting to see people that I want to avoid and don't wish to game or associate with.
There is a clique of a few high-ranking guild members who have continually spread lies about other guild members to discredit them for weeks now. On a daily basis, these three or four people have instigated, created artificial drama, berated and extorted people. They have made executive decisions to demote and ban other members.
Now, with the most recent ultra-dramatic flareup (which was completely invented by one of these clique members) one of them has even taken to posting on a guild member's spouse's facebook page saying slanderous things for their IRL friends to see. Way out of line.
Most people in this guild just want to play. They joined because they wanted to escape loot-booting and demeaning, cruel behavior.
As a result, Spike (Skol the Mad) is gone, Kaito (Improved Knight) is gone and Dameonife is probably going as well. With the exception of maybe Spencer, I can't name twenty guild members combined who have given as much to this guild as they have. Time, resources, filling the vaults, gearing new members and sharing information that made your characters stronger. If you have a TR, GWF, CW, SW or GF chances are you're using a version of their builds.
I had a great time. There's a whole bunch of you that I like and I'll be happy to game with anyone and keep having great times. Peace.
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 5:54:44 GMT -8
I am still sorting this debacle out, but I will start by saying there have been no slanderous posts anywhere. No one posted anything of the sort (I don't Facebook so I can only go by conversation).
Cliques will form as part of the process; I have tried to help anyone that asked with whatever they need, and run any dungeon that needed shoddy, clumsy DPS. We all have friends we are with more than others, and I cannot tell anyone who they can and can't be friends with.
Spike left because he saw that as the best solution to the facts as we know them. I know more than I care to about the situation, and I can assure you that you don't know the half of it. You make me laugh every time I was around you, and will miss your humor; my skin is fairly thick.
Dameonife will be leaving, yes, but Kaito isn't going anywhere. I don't dispute their contributions of time and work, no one does. There are some underlying and extraneous circumstances you are not privy to that require a course of action I do not like at all.
I will gladly discuss things with you, or anyone, PRIVATELY via chat or message.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 6:17:51 GMT -8
I have a lot of respect for you and I think you've done an incredible job and forged the guild that all others should model themselves on.
Perhaps there is information that I am missing. But my current decision is based on facts I know to be true. I know I was demoted at the behest of a certain officer and that demotion was the result of lies. I have the private messages from the involved party saved that prove the accusation was a bald-faced lie.
I know you're a low-drama guy and this whole thing is probably frosting your ass. But the insistence that things be kept so private is what allows the clucking hens to initiate drama, back-biting and lying. The instigators maintain their anonymity and are allowed to keep doing what they do. Accusation and derision and two-faced behavior loves staying in the dark.
Louis Brandeis said it well: "Sunlight is the best of disinfectants". The truth will always out.
I'm right here. I'm open to debate and allowing the facts to be judged right in front of everyone's faces instead of the kangaroo-court we currently see in place.
Much love to you and all the good people that enjoy companionship and killing orcs.
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Post by phoebee on Sept 6, 2015 6:48:59 GMT -8
Noooooooooo! Sooo bummed. All of our guardians are valued... I really hope this can be sorted out and folks don't leave. We can work this all out together. =D
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 6:54:37 GMT -8
I talked with Fury, far as I know, sorted.
*hug*
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Post by wdj40 on Sept 6, 2015 6:55:01 GMT -8
Why do I always miss all the drama... I have no idea what any of you are talking about  |
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 7:00:43 GMT -8
Why do I always miss all the drama... I have no idea what any of you are talking about Count yourself lucky. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 7:10:10 GMT -8
Spike is gone? I just made a sad...
I'd be really upset to see you leave fury, you have been one of the most helpful guys in the guild since I joined. I still remember when you helped me through my first Lostmauth trip and explained thoroughly, in detail, and entirely without condescension how to fight the boss. Spike, Dameon, you, and Gaagii (among others) all helped me so much and are without doubt the reason why I'm still playing and enjoying this game.
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Post by phoebee on Sept 6, 2015 7:31:11 GMT -8
Spike is gone? I just made a sad... I'd be really upset to see you leave fury, you have been one of the most helpful guys in the guild since I joined. I still remember when you helped me through my first Lostmauth trip and explained thoroughly, in detail, and entirely without condescension how to fight the boss. Spike, Dameon, you, and Gaagii (among others) all helped me so much and are without doubt the reason why I'm still playing and enjoying this game. Shafowfenix nor I couldn't of said it better ourselves… Obviously they have done this for sooo many of us.. And have asked for nothing in return other than enjoyment of the game and to pay it forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 7:32:31 GMT -8
If i may ask. What exact reasoning was behind daemeonknife reasoning for leaving/removed from the guild? What exactly happened?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 7:44:42 GMT -8
I've talked privately with Spencer (Gaagii) and IMO, we are totally cool. I am totally cool with the guild as a whole and I think it's the best guild in NW. My issue has absolutely nothing to do with Dameonife. His issues are his own to take care of. My issue is with the way I was treated personally and the continuing actions of a small group of individuals who seem too concerned with gossiping and "what does so-and-so get that I don't get".
I've personally heard officers berate other guild members in chat. I've heard officers tell lower ranking members that they were to farm things for new members and give up their earned awards.
Guess what? You don't have a duty to do any of these things. There are no dues to pay here other than being cool toward your fellow guild members. If the officers are allowed to be dicks, all bets are off and I'm gone until that changes.
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 7:44:56 GMT -8
I need time to make a post with some information, but am out taking my son for some birthday lunch. All those on the Guild Council can talk to you and answer questions in the meantime.
I will get something posted this afternoon as soon as I can.
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Post by wdj40 on Sept 6, 2015 7:48:24 GMT -8
I've talked privately with Spencer (Gaagii) and IMO, we are totally cool. I am totally cool with the guild as a whole and I think it's the best guild in NW. My issue has absolutely nothing to do with Dameonife. His issues are his own to take care of. My issue is with the way I was treated personally and the continuing actions of a small group of individuals who seem too concerned with gossiping and "what does so-and-so get that I don't get". I've personally heard officers berate other guild members in chat. I've heard officers tell lower ranking members that they were to farm things for new members and give up their earned awards. Guess what? You don't have a duty to do any of these things. There are no dues to pay here other than being cool toward your fellow guild members. If the officers are allowed to be dicks, all bets are off and I'm gone until that changes. I`ve never heard nor witnessed any of what you are talking about
Honestly I must be the highest ranking person in Guild history that does not have a clue what goes on around him
lol
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Post by Shadowfenix on Sept 6, 2015 8:15:24 GMT -8
As an online mmo guild, I am surprised we dont have more drama. The fact that we dont speaks volumes about the quality of people in our guild. It also reflects greatly in our leadership. As the situation sorts itself out, please remember that we are like a family. Then again I know some families where people get angry at each other and never talk to each other again, each party saying things that cant be unsaid then standing firm on the principle of the thing. Sometimes we have to be reminded just how special a family is...Thats my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 12:50:14 GMT -8
Wait. What?!?!? Dameon is the reason I joined. Well him and kaito and fury helped me so much with my char. I played with dameon like a week ago did so much happen since then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:01:31 GMT -8
When did all this come to a head?
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 13:07:38 GMT -8
The madness began last night, with things exploding fairly well by this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:31:25 GMT -8
So. Who exactly left and who is staying
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Post by Gaagii on Sept 6, 2015 14:45:23 GMT -8
Spike, Dameonife, Fury, Edwina and Sutekh have left (as of this morning, haven't been back on yet today).
I can't poll everyone else, so who is staying is yet to be seen.
I am staying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:00:21 GMT -8
Gaagii is staying because i told him to stay.
Or his blades won't be rusty anymore, they'll be cleaned!
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Post by Mrs. ho on Sept 6, 2015 18:59:50 GMT -8
HO is so upset and sad about all that has happened. He is very sorry about everything and he didn't mean to hurt anyone. He just did want he felt was right. We really hate to see everyone leave. We are really going to miss everyone. So sorry!!  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 19:17:00 GMT -8
Friends will remain friends, imo. Hit me up and I'll run dungeons until there are no orcs left to kill.
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Post by bhonor35 on Sept 6, 2015 21:39:30 GMT -8
I hardly ever post but I just heard abou this while playing with Phoebee. I don't have clue as to what is going on but I just wanted to let those guys know that you great to play especially Fury,Dameon, & Spike. I hope cooler heads prevail & you guys come back. It's just a game. Just know that Shaka Z will miss you!✌️✌✌✌
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Post by Brad on Sept 7, 2015 14:04:38 GMT -8
Spike, Dameonife, Fury, Edwina and Sutekh have left (as of this morning, haven't been back on yet today). I can't poll everyone else, so who is staying is yet to be seen. I am staying. I'm staying |
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Post by wdj40 on Sept 7, 2015 23:35:44 GMT -8
Yeah and me I`m not going anywhere... I`m actually an adult so I will not be throwing toys out of the pram and leaving a perfectly fine and great Guild with great people, I`m also loyal to Gaagii and I believe he deserves my time and respect within the Guild regardless of what other members do and think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 7:42:13 GMT -8
Who called you an adult? I would hate to be called one of them...  |
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